Where Florida had an estimated population of 19,057,542 in 2011, the percentage of the population that is licensed to carry a concealed weapon is only five percent (5%). Florida State and County QuickFacts, U.S. Census Bureau, (Sept. 25, 2012), available at http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12000.html. Given the small percentage of the population that is licensed to carry a concealed firearm, the overwhelming majority of firearms, or 95%, are not licensed to be concealed. Thus, an officer’s suspicion that a firearm is not licensed would be reasonable because, in any given case, there would be, statistically speaking, a 95% likelihood of illegality.
Let's break this down into two parts. First, we have a fact: Only 5% of Florida's 19 million people are licensed to carry a concealed weapon. Then we have a conclusion: It is reasonable for an officer to assume that a subject carrying a concealed weapon is likely not licensed.
This is the kind of mathematical abuse one would expect from a gaffe, but in a brief filed by an attorney general in a court of law? Preposterous!
On the face of it, it appears fine, does it not? If only 5% are licensed, then naturally the odds that a random citizen is not licensed is 95%. Shouldn't that clinch it?
Before we answer that, let's take into account another fact. There are roughly 36,000 police officers in the state. So out of 19 million, just 0.2% are police officers. Based on that fact, can we conclude, in a manner similar to the brief's assertion, that it is reasonable for a citizen to assume that the officer arresting him is in all likelihood (99.8%) an impostor who is simply impersonating a police officer?
Because there is no fact that establishes that 99.8% of the population impersonates police officers, only that 99.8% are not police officers.
Likewise, given that 5% of the population is licensed to carry concealed weapons does not establish the fact that the other 95% carries weapons, let alone concealed weapons or more precisely, concealed weapons illegally. We would also need to know, for example, the statistics on compliance with the law on licensed concealed carrying of weapons. That is, we will need to know how often has an officer investigated a suspect carrying a concealed weapon and found it to be legal. For if the statistics show near total compliance, then the officer is not reasonable if he assumes illegality at all.
Now, is it possible for a Florida police officer to be reasonable and yet assume that a subject carrying a concealed weapon is doing so unlicensed and therefore illegally?
But not on the basis of the deduction cited in the brief.
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"...given that 5% of the population is licensed to carry concealed weapons does not establish the fact that the other 95% carries weapons, let alone concealed weapons or more precisely, concealed weapons illegally."
You seem to be missing some critical context. In this case, an officer observed a portion of a concealed firearm on the appellant's person. The officer asked if he could search the appellant and then did so, confirming the presence of the firearm, removing it from the appellant's possession, and then asking the appellant whether or not he had a concealed carry permit. Which he admitted he did not possess.
The Brief was not seeking to establish that "the other 95% (of the population) carries weapons" only that, given that CCW holders are a distinct minority in the State, the officer's suspicion that the appellant was not likely to be among them was reasonable.
The officer didn't pat down the appellant out of the blue. He made an initial observation that led him to believe that the appellant was carrying a concealed firearm.
The first consideration for any police officer worth his salt is to secure the weapon against the possibility (in this case probability) that the person carrying the weapon has no legal authority to do so. Once the weapon has been secured the officer can then proceed to investigate, in a greater degree of safety, the question of whether a permit exists.
In picking your nits, here, you are missing the largest nit of all...the appellant *was* guilty of carrying a concealed weapon without a permit.
Way to miss the very isolated, specific, in-context, with extra disclaimer that this was NOT about anything but the math part focused on the statistical claim completely!
Since this will still be missed, this is NOT about whether the officer was reasonable to search the appellant. This is NOT about whether the officer did the right thing or if he did the wrong thing.
This is about the conclusion drawn based on the cited fact in the brief.
Way to remain consistent in your unfortunate habit of ducking specific (and applicable) critiques and to remain a complete jerk while doing so!
You are nothing if not consistent!
Perhaps you missed the term "likelihood" in the comments from the excerpted case. A likelihood is not a "conclusion", it is a merely an acknowledgement of a probability.
Given the statistics quoted, it is, indeed, more *likely* than not that an officer encountering a person armed with a concealed firearm is going to find that the person is carrying that weapon illegally.
The excerpted brief drew no *conclusion* whatsoever. That's simply the skewed manner in which you have chosen to interpret it.
Thank you, I can use an example of the group of people I was highlighting with the topic.
I'll leave yours up there, since it illustrates it so well.
You are most welcome. Hopefully it will also help to illustrate for others your apparently inexhaustable capacity for pompous asininty.
You're wrong. Completely and irrevocably wrong. Your hedging about "likelyhood" doesn't change a thing because you're wrong about the basic of how probabilities work and what conclusions you can draw from what data.
Let's divorce this from the context of firearms. Let's say that the percentage of the population suffering from a certain disease is 5%. A person, X, has been diagnosed with this disease.
What is the chance that X has been misdiagnosed?
Obviously, the answer is NOT 95%. Just because a given disease is rare doesn't mean that it's often misdiagnosed. Most people who don't have the disease don't ever get diagnosed with it and likewise, most people who don't have a concealed carry permit simply don't carry firearms in public.
As such, the statistic given doesn't allow us to draw any conclusion one way or another.
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